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- Scientific Articles:
Theofilos Karachalios, Michael Hantes, Aristides H. Zibis, Vasilios Zachos, Apostolos H. Karantanas, and Konstantinos N. Malizos
- Diagnostic Accuracy of a New Clinical Test (the Thessaly Test) for Early Detection of Meniscal Tears
J Bone Joint Surg Am 2005; 87: 955-962
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Dr. Karachalios responds to Mr. White
- Theofilos Karachalios
(26 September 2005)
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THE THESSALY TEST FOR MENISCAL TEARS
- STEPHEN H. WHITE
(19 September 2005)
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Tibial Rotation in performing the Thessaly Test
- Harvey R. Manes
(15 June 2005)
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Dr. Karachalios responds to Dr. Manes
- Theofilos Karachalios
(15 June 2005)
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Dr. Karachalios responds to Mr. White |
26 September 2005 |
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Theofilos Karachalios, Associate Professor in Orthopaedics Orthopaedic Dept, University of Thessaly, Hellenic Republic
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Re: Dr. Karachalios responds to Mr. White
kar{at}med.uth.gr Theofilos Karachalios
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Firstly, we would like to thank Mr.White, FACS, for his comments
concerning our paper. We have read his comments carefully and our detailed
response is as follows:
We consider the test positive when the patient experiences
either medial or lateral joint line discomfort or a sense of locking or
catching. Generally speaking with this test we provoke or reproduce
patient’s symptoms and, in our opinion, this is a precise end point for the
test.
Due to the fact that the test is performed while keeping
the foot firmly on the ground, the whole body above the knee is either
externally or internally rotated (rotation of the femur and the torso in
relation to the tibia). As a consequence of this, we consider that the
test is performed in external rotation when the whole body moves
externally and vice versa. In this respect, the figures are correct. Of
course, one can argue that external or internal rotation at the knee joint
refers to the rotation of the tibia in relation to the femur. We have
already replied to a similar comment which Mr White has not obviously read
(see our reply to Dr Harvey R. Manes’s letter to the Editor at www.jbjs.org)concerning fig. 1-E, Mr White is correct. This is an error noted by us when the proofs were corrected.
However, we do not think that that this error reduces the strength of our
study.
We have stated clearly in our manuscript that the reason
that this test reproduces a patient’s symptoms, in our opinion, is the
development of hoop stress at the intact peripheral rim of the torn
meniscus (which is innervated) while loading at 20 degrees of flexion and
not because of the application of direct pressure on the torn parts of the
meniscus which have no nerve endings. Furthermore, when you design a study
in order to evaluate the diagnostic accuracy of a method, you have to
keep the diagnosis as a standard; otherwise true positive, true negative,
false positive and false negative values can not be determined (Altman
Practical statistics for medical research 1993). This is a basic knowledge
of statistical analysis which Mr White ignores. In order to evaluate the
diagnostic accuracy of the test in other possible diagnoses, such as
degenerative meniscal lesions, early osteoarthritis and chondral defects,
another study has been designed and is currently under way in our
department. We have already informed, without being asked, the readers of
the Journal about this new study in our reply to Dr Manes.
We do believe that Mr White’s comments concerning our paper are unfair due
to the lack of understanding of the pathomechanics of the test and due to
ignorance of basic statistical principles.
Th. Karachalios, MD
Associate Professor in Orthopaedics
University of Thessalia, Hellenic Republic |
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THE THESSALY TEST FOR MENISCAL TEARS |
19 September 2005 |
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STEPHEN H. WHITE, ORTHOPAEDIC SURGEON Robert Jones & Agnes Hunt Orthopaedic Hospital, Oswestry, Shropshire. SY10 7AG
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Re: THE THESSALY TEST FOR MENISCAL TEARS
Georgi.Pugh{at}rjah.nhs.uk STEPHEN H. WHITE
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In the paper “Diagnostic Accuracy of a New Clinical Test (The
Thessaly Test) for Early Detection of Meniscal Tears” (2005;87-A:955-962),
Dr. Karachalios and his colleagues illustrate a functional load bearing
test for torn menisci but I have concerns about the method, the
description, and the specificity of the test. The method describes a
positive result as “medial or lateral joint line discomfort and a sense of
locking or catching”. This is a very imprecise end point, for instance,
what if a patient has a sense of discomfort but no locking or has catching
but only mild or no discomfort?
Secondly, the authors in fig 1-C clearly show internal rotation of
the knee and yet the caption description is of a manoeuvre involving
external rotation. Similarly, in fig 1-D where the limb is clearly
photographed in external rotation they describe the manoeuvre as internal
rotation. This is contrary to standard practise where the direction of
rotation refers to the position of the distal bone(1,2,3,4).
Confusion is reinforced by the illustration fig 1-E describing the
Thessaly test at 5° of flexion. Any reader can see that the knee
illustrated is in at least 15° of knee flexion.
Nor is the test convincing from a physiological stand point. The
natural history of medial meniscus tearing is damage to the posterior
third which comes under the highest load in weight bearing flexion. It is
therefore logical to provoke pain in a medial meniscal tear with the knee
in high flexion, not as the authors describe at 5 to 20° of flexion. Now,
the most common alternative diagnosis to medial meniscal tearing in this
age group (18 to 56 years) is medial femoral condylar damage, including
osteochondritis dissecans, chondral injury, and early osteoarthritis.
These conditions most commonly involve the anteromedial segment of the
femur which is in contact with the tibia at 20° of weight bearing flexion,
which is precisely the angle of which the Thessaly test would be expected
to provoke pain in the illustration 1-A. Strangely, these diagnostic
categories have been excluded from the study. Thus, the specificity
referred to in table II is spurious. I wish the dance routine so
beautifully illustrated was true for it would provide welcome relieve in
an out-patient clinic but I think the test would shed very little light on
the patient’s pathology.
References
1. Servant, C and Purkiss, S. “Examination Schemes in General Surgery
and Orthopaedics”. Greenwich Medical Media Limited, Oxford University
Press ISBN: 1900151 383, London, 1999, page 81.
2. Onbregt, L, Bishop, P. “Atlas of Orthopaedic Examination of the
Peripheral Joints”. W B Saunders. Edinburgh. London. New York.
Philadelphia. St Louis etc. 1999, page 104.
3. McRae, R. “Clinical Orthopaedic Examination”. Churchill
Livingstone. Second Edition. Edinburgh, London, Melbourne & New
York. 1983, page 150.
4. Solomon L, Warwick D, Nayagan S. Apley’s Concise System of
Orthopaedics and Fractures. Hodder Arnold, London. Third Edition 2005,
page 204. |
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Tibial Rotation in performing the Thessaly Test |
15 June 2005 |
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Harvey R. Manes, Orthopedic surgeon Lindenhurst, N.Y.
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Re: Tibial Rotation in performing the Thessaly Test
hm2001{at}optonline.net Harvey R. Manes
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To the Editor:
I especially enjoyed reading this article and will apply the Thessaly
test in the examination of my knee-injured patients immediately. However
there are two pictures that are improperly labelled with regard to the
internal and external rotation testing for meniscal tears. Fig. 1-C
depicts the tibia in internal rotation but is improperly labelled external
rotation. Similarly, Fig. 1-D depicts the tibia rotated in external
rotation but is labelled internal rotation. Aside from the mislabelling,
the article decribes an important addition to the clinical examination of
the injured knee. |
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Dr. Karachalios responds to Dr. Manes |
15 June 2005 |
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Theofilos Karachalios, Associate Professor in Orthopaedics Orthopaedic Department, University of Thessaly, Larissa 41222, Greece
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Re: Dr. Karachalios responds to Dr. Manes
kar{at}med.uth.gr Theofilos Karachalios
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Firstly, we would like to thank Dr. Manes for his comments
concerning our paper.
We have looked carefully at the figures of the paper. Due to the fact that
the test is performed while keeping the foot firmly on the ground, the
whole body above the knee is either externally or internally rotated
(rotation of the femur and the torso in relation to the tibia) . As a
consequence of this, we consider that the test is performed in external
rotation when the whole body moves externally and vice versa. In this
respect the figures are correct. Of course one can argue that external or
internal rotation at the knee joint refers to the rotation of the tibia in
relation to the femur.
We would also like to take the opportunity to inform the readers of the
Journal that we are currently evaluating the diagnostic accuracy of the
Thessaly test in diagnosing degenerative meniscal lesions and the effect
of chondral and patellofemoral joint disorders on its diagnostic
abilities.
Th. Karachalios, M.D.
Associate Professor in Orthopaedics, University of Thessaly |
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